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Title: The Emperor Has No Clothes (Provincial Food Politics)
Producer/Host - Jon Steinman
Transcribed by James Braun
Jon Steinman: This is Deconstructing
Dinner, a syndicated weekly one hour radio show and Podcast
produced in Nelson,
The title of today's episode is "The Emperor Has No Clothes" - in this case the emperor being referred to here, is the
While we do often explore the impacts of policy on the health of our food and agricultural systems, we don't often examine politics head-on as we will on today's broadcast.
On our most recent show that introduced the topic of
backyard chickens, we heard a brief clip of Member of the Legislative Assembly Corky
Evans as he spoke to an audience in March 2008. And today, we will listen to
more segments from that event that took place here in Nelson. Corky's speech and the following question and answer period
was an enlightening education into the sheer failure by the
We'll also round off the broadcast with a recording that we also compiled in March 2008 at a
conference of the Certified Organic Associations of BC hosted in the community
JS: Now I do want to first quickly provide an update on the research that had gone in to the Percy Schmeiser versus Monsanto story that was covered just two weeks ago here on the program, as it was on that broadcast when I had indicated that an update with more investigative information would be shared with you. That segment will have to be postponed until next week's broadcast as there just isn't enough time today to share with you the important findings that have been uncovered since that broadcast. But do stay tuned to next week's show for that.
But one story to share before we dive into the focused topic of today's broadcast is also in line with the political theme of the show, however in this case it involves federal politics.
About one month ago anyone living throughout the Southern
Interior of British Columbia arrived home to discover on the very same day two
political mailouts in their mailbox, and I was one of
those people. Now one of these pieces of mail was the quarterly newsletter from
the New Democratic Party (The NDP's) Alex Atamanenko, a familiar voice here on the program as he is
the elected representative in
Now the contrast between the content of these two mail-outs was astonishing, and they present a pretty telling sign of the rather opposing ends of the spectrum where these two political parties fall.
The mailout from Alex Atamanenko was his Winter Newsletter and the entire four pages of the newsletter was riddled with information on food security and agriculture. Located on the front page was a short summary of a recent event Atamanenko hosted on the topic of the SPP, the Security and Prosperity Partnership, that ongoing project led by the executive branches of the three North American governments alongside the heads of some of the continents major corporations. The front page also included a letter from Atamanenko in which he lists some of the threats to our food: including Peak Oil, Free Trade Agreements, Biofuels, and genetically engineered food. Included on that page is also a small primer on Community Supported Agriculture (CSAs). Turning the page over, readers found more in-depth information on Peak Oil, Farmers Markets, and contact info of community food security groups operating in the region. Included was also the farmers manifesto written by well-known Deconstructing Dinner contributor Marc Loiselle who wrote a passionate plea to farmers to stop using genetically engineered crops. Readers found an introduction to the regional grain CSA that was a featured topic on our show a few weeks ago. And the information continued on the absurdity of bottled water, there were links to in-depth reports on the cost of eating for families in the province and there were summaries of the November Future of Food in the Kootenays conference that took place here in Nelson back in November 2007. Now I'll put myself out on a limb here, although I think it's a pretty sturdy one, by suggesting that this newsletter is likely the most comprehensive newsletter on food security ever issued to constituents by a Canadian Member of Parliament.
And so how does this contrast with the mailout from Conservative MP Ron Cannan? Well his mailout was substantially smaller but certainly caught the attention of many people in the region. On the cover was a black and white photograph of a bearded middle-aged male wearing a white tank-top, slouching on a couch with a bottle of beer in one hand, a cigarette in the other, and printed on the image was the word "jail" (followed by a question mark). With absolutely no indication what this mailout could have possibly been about, BC Souhern Interior residents would have opened the mailout only to read this, "Why should convicted thieves, arsonists and vandals serve their sentences watching TV, playing video games, and surfing web sites on the internet?" Underneath, and written in bold, Ron Cannan writes "They Shouldn't." and it continues…. "The Conservative Government Supports Ending House Arrest for Serious Offences. It is insulting to law abiding Canadians that thieves and other property criminals are sent home to serve their sentences. The previous Liberal government did not want to hold these criminals responsible for their own actions. This is not only disgusting, but also potentially dangerous. If you commit a property crime, you had better be prepared to go to jail. Compliments of Ron Cannan, MP. And then located beside the letter was a question with two check boxes, that allowed the reader to either agree or disagree to the question, "I think thieves and vandals should serve their sentences in jail", and readers were then encouraged to send their response to Ron Cannan directly whether or not they agreed or disagreed.
Now on its own, this mailout generated quite a bit of discussion in the area - for one, because this mailout was coming from a Member of Parliament who does not even represent this riding. But some comments that came my way were in regards to the image on the front of the mailout that was supposed to be depicting a thief or a property criminal. Now there were actually quite a few people who were offended by the image, because really, the guy looks like a significant percentage of Canadians who enjoy sitting on the couch, drinking a beer, smoking a cigarette and watching the hockey game. One colleague of mine even made the comment: "that guy looks like me". But to Conservative MP Ron Cannan, such an image instead depicted a criminal.
Letters to the editor regarding this mailout
have since appeared in regional newspapers, with one letter appearing in the Kootenay Western Star and authored by a Nelson employee at
an HIV/AIDS outreach and support organization. Her letter addressed the mailout's hypocrisy given the ongoing cuts to social
The comparison between these two political newsletters is
night and day, one which motivates and educates people on the importance of
food security, and the other, being one that is suggestively, an outright
hypocrisy disguised as a beer drinking, cigarette smoking, hockey game
watching…criminal. But if we bring the two issues together, we come across a
solution, perhaps. With access to on-farm labour being a major roadblock for
Canadian farmers - perhaps Atamanenko and Cannan should get together, and stick some of these
convicted criminals onto the farms and put their hands into the soil. Similar
projects in the
JS: And this is Deconstructing Dinner. The comparison of
those two mailouts received by residents in the
Interior of BC does lead nicely into the core of today's broadcast - which will
instead explore the role of provincial
governments in supporting more responsible food production. Just as
Corky Evans is currently the opposition Critic for Agriculture and Lands and was elected as the representative for the Nelson-Creston riding in 1991, was re-elected in 1996, and then again in 2005. He was at one point the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries and has made his home in the community of Winlaw for over thirty years. Corky has lent his voice to Deconstructing Dinner on many occasions. His presentation in Nelson was part of a larger province-wide tour with the goal of finding out what farmers are concerned with and to ask British Columbians if they are committed to farming and food production or not. The results of his tour will be presented in May at an event in Creston.
And so I sat in on Corky's
presentation and recorded what was a passionate and very lively presentation on the
failure of the
Also at the event was Andre Piver, one of the organizers of the Future of Food in the Kootenays Conference which has been featured quite a lot here on Deconstructing Dinner. As Corky welcomed those in attendance, he first acknowledged the importance of that conference.
Corky Evans: This
is cool. If you're a social democrat in
But mostly I want to talk about the larger question of the role of the province in sustaining or promoting food production in British Columbia, and public policy and the politics of all of that, and the history of how we got to where we are, which is pretty much at the bottom of support for farming, and lastly what we might do to change that. I'll start with the good news: Because of poisoned spinach being on TV and terrible feed lots, there is today a public awareness about the quality and the value of food which I have never known, and I have being doing this kind of work I do for a really long time. Ten years ago, people who talked about food security were a tiny fringe, and considered irrelevant. And now they appear like prophets, because the average person wherever I go is interested in local food and quality of food and thinking about climate change and Peak Oil and transportation costs. They have instantly, apparently, become connected to thinking about food which is radically different. I'm sixty years old, it's never happened in my lifetime; essentially since World War II the only thing we ever think about food is "what's on sale?" North Americans' percentage of their budget that they spent on food has gone on a downhill slide ever since the 1930s or the ending, at least, of World War II.
And the notion that people are talking about wanting to pay
money for quality is radical and wonderful. The place that we
live fits perfectly within that brand new idea. You live in a province
with more varied ecosystems to grow more different kinds of crops than all the
JS: And this is Deconstructing Dinner. It was only a few shows ago when we heard from farmer Robin Tunnicliffe speak on the ins and outs of becoming a farmer. I recorded Robin speak at the 2008 conference of the Certified Organic Associations of BC (the COABC). Her workshop was titled "Starting Your Organic Farm", and also sitting in on the workshop of mostly new or future farmers, was Corky Evans, and he uses his experience at that workshop to outline how current support for farming is the lowest it has ever been, in the history of British Columbia
CE: I got another piece of good news, as part of this tour that I've been on I've been going to Annual General Meetings of farm organizations. Lots of times I've gone to agriculture meetings and, I know you won't believe this, but I've been the youngest person in the room, in spite of my senior position here. (laughter) A month ago I went to the COABC-that's the Certified Organic Association of BC-Annual General Meeting, and then a couple of weeks ago Sandy and I were at the Agritourism Association of BC Annual General Meeting. In both cases the average age in the room was forty, and lots of people in the room were thirty years old. And they weren't ideologues or day trippers or make believe, they were people who wanted to go do work, who understood the complications of the business, who had apprenticed, who had been to school, who had a marketing plan, in some cases who had land. At any rate, you have now the consumer caring about the food, you have the geography that will supply the food, and you have, apparently, the beginnings of a new generation to produce the food. All of which I never saw before, and I think creates great opportunity.
Now the bad news:
support for the business of farming as provincial policy - a little bit
national policy, but primarily as provincial policy-is lower than it has ever
been in the history of
And I don't want to hold up
JS: And your
listening to Corky Evans speak in March 2008 in Nelson
British Columbia. Corky is the elected representative for the Nelson-Creston riding
of the province and the Opposition Critic for Agriculture and Lands. Rounding
off the broadcast today we will hear from Jordan Marr, one of the future
farmers who was in attendance at the COABC workshop
that Corky had also attended, and we'll hear
But first we come back to Corky Evans and his presentation to a packed room of mostly Nelson-area farmers. In addressing the poor state of food production in BC, he pointed to the historical presence of farm subsidies, which were removed as part of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (the GATT).
In this next segment Corky does also mention one acronym
that listeners outside of the province may be unfamiliar with, and that is the
ALR - the Agricultural Land Reserve - a topic we've covered here before on the
program. The ALR is considered to be the most progressive protection for
agricultural land in
CE: Two things led
to the present mess in
There was two things wrong with
cost-of-production subsidies. The first thing was the right wing around the
world didn't like it and it was wiped out by the GATT. But the second thing
that was wrong with it was that it tended to grow lousy potatoes. Because we
were paying you by the tonne, and you didn't have to grow a potato that
somebody wanted to buy. You remember when all the wine in
JS: And you're tuned in to Deconstructing Dinner produced at Kootenay Co-op Radio CJLY in Nelson British Columbia. I'm Jon Steinman. All of our broadcasts are archived on our web site at cjly.net/deconstructingdinner. We also welcome financial support from listeners through our web site, and your support does greatly help keep this not-for-profit project on the air and in your communities. Unlike most media, Deconstructing Dinner does not receive any financial support from fast food chains, conventional supermarket chains or multinational food producers.
JS: Today's broadcast is titled "The Emperor Has No Clothes" and is a feature on provincial policies and food. This reference to the emperor not having any clothes was made by MLA Corky Evans who we will continue to listen to in just a moment. Corky has long been involved in provincial politics in BC, at one point as the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries. Today, Corky is the NDP Opposition Critic for Agriculture and Lands. In March 2008, he took to the road to hear from farmers their thoughts on food production in the province. Deconstructing Dinner recorded him speak on March 22nd in Nelson.
And as mentioned earlier on the show, while the content of his talk was focused on BC in particular, the information is relevant to really anyone in North America as the current lack of support for food production here in BC could very well happen anywhere (if not already), and the information learned from his presentation can indeed act as a great primer on how eaters and farmers can avoid what has happened here in the province.
And also a heads-up that rounding off the show today we'll
hear Jordan Marr read his winning essay to an audience at the 2008 Certified
Organic Associations of BC Conference.
CE: So what's the
farmer's role in all this? Essentially, in the last thirty years farmers became
divided from one another. And everybody knows that the political strength of a
divided group is zero. In
The Federation of Agriculture fell apart in about 1996. And
it was replaced by something called the BC Ag Council. The BC Ag Council, like
the Federation of Agriculture, is organized by commodity group: chicken growers
and egg growers and dairymen and cattlemen and on and on. 'What do you grow?'
not 'Where do you live?' But it has no convention, it has no leadership, it has
no political agenda, ergo it cannot make demands. So agriculture itself in
thirty years went from being a whole bunch of people who met, and concentrated
on what they had in common to a shattered industry that never meets, and when
they do argues as businesspeople for "my sector", for eggs, or for organics, or
for cows. I was Minister, I'm telling you there's no place where the person
with the job has to go and answer hard questions about what you're going to do,
because there is no place. There's no convention, there's no leadership,
there's no voice, and there isn't a single political party in British Columbia
today that I know of with a functioning agriculture caucus, farm caucus,
putting forward policy-that's actually made up of farmers. I know of at least
one that has such a caucus that is not made up of farmers. However, farmers are
an impotent voice. And what an irony; the Social Credit party and the New
Democratic Party that built this province were essentially organized by
farmers. As the CCF and the Socreds
JS: In the next few weeks you can expect a number of broadcasts here on Deconstructing Dinner that will address the controversial implementation of new provincial meat inspection regulations here in BC. Deconstructing Dinner first covered this topic back in May 2006, and much has transpired since then. Corky Evans has been right in the middle of the debate, and in this next segment from his talk Corky introduces both this topic and also the ALR - the Agricultural Land Reserve. Here in the Nelson area, for one, there has been controversy surrounding whether to adhere to these new regulations and construct a small slaughterhouse to serve local farmers. He believes that its divisions like these that pose a significant threat to the future of the ALR, and as he says, the two issues are connected.
CE: The great
threat to the ALR of that brokenness is that there is a possibility that a
government-I kind of promised that this wouldn't be too partisan, so I'll just
say a government, never mind what government-might someday say "you've got to
make $20 000 off the land in order to be a farmer," and be rewarded by some
farmers for doing so. Because they'll perceive that four percent, that is all
that they're ever going to get, will be come to them rather than be spread
around twenty thousand people. The meat regulations for example: fifteen
thousand people are making some part of their $2500 minimum by selling chickens
or turkeys or hogs or a couple of cows a year. When those people become
criminals for selling that stuff, even if they sell it under the table they
can't report it. When they can't report it they won't be farmers. When they
aren't farmers there'll be no reason for them to stay in the ALR, and we will
be back to the argument of 1974 about the existence of the ALR. I do not want
you to be afraid that the ALR will go away. I'm a big fan of the ALR; my land
was frozen when they froze everybody else's, I still live there. The great
thing is I can't subdivide it and give it to my kids, so they're not coming
back; that's not bad, actually. (laughter) People assume that the more conservative
parties would get rid of the ALR, not true. Social democrats love the ALR
because they believe in land-based wealth and land-based production.
Conservatives love the ALR because they understand capitalism, and the ALR is
beautiful for making a profit. If you wiped out the ALR, everybody in this
room-just about-your land would go onto the marketplace at the same time. Which
would, of course, deplete the value of all the investors that have already
built stuff, and there would be a recession in the price of land. But by
maintaining the ALR, conservative governments can say "your land is gonna come out, and everybody else's stays in, and
therefore you will make a million dollars because we've limited supply and
created demand. And now we're going to let yours out and you'll be rich. And
then you give me some of that as a contribution, and I'll see to it that hers
gets out next year." The way capitalism works, the two fastest ways to make
money in capitalist systems is a) add sugar, or b) change zoning. And the ALR
works for the second one, so nobody's going to get rid of it. But you have this
huge irony where you're living in the province in
JS: Just earlier Corky Evans outlined what farmers can do to address the sheer lack of support for food production in British Columbia, but then he moved on to address the actions that the rest of us non-farmers can take in response to these many threats.
CE: So I want to
talk for a little bit now about what I think we should do about this situation.
Some of you are farmers, or aspire to be farmers. I would plead with you that
for at least a short while, you actively work to end the struggle and
competition between commodity groups and methods of production. Stop your
sisters and brothers from calling one another names. We have a huge problem in
As citizens, there's people in this room who belong to the Green Party,
the NDP, the Liberal Party and probably the Marijuana Party, or whatever. No,
you don't actually belong to them. You vote for them. If you give a good rip
about food and farming I am begging you to join the political party you vote
for and demand that they put food and farming on their electoral agenda
platform in the next election, and if you don't get it you switch parties. If
you don't do that, if you're not willing to transfer your bias into politics,
then this never-ending conversation about "why can't it be better" should die.
We have no right to have it better unless we have some demands. And the way we
do that in
JS: And in closing out his presentation, Corky Evans ended with these remarks on what he would like the people in the room to do in response to the many issues that we just heard him raise.
CE: And I guess the last thing I'd like you to do is not leave the room until you meet three other people. You remember what feminists used to say about women were isolated from one another in the household? They learned to get together, didn't they? They went to meetings and chatted, a bunch of women, and they found out there's power when they got together. Same with every trade union in the world. You might hate the guy that's pulling boards next to you, but when you talk to him about how you feel about the boss you have something in common. Farmers all say to me "I'm too busy to go to meetings." That is horse puckey. If you have time to be poor, you've got time to meet those other people and solve the problem, otherwise you shut up. The CCF was built by people in the Depression. We are not in a depression, we are comfortable. You've got time, talk to your neighbour. You come to this meeting, don't ever leave the other people that you see here. Unless you wish to abandon their sector as well. Thanks a lot for coming here; I'll answer questions. (applause)
JS: Now there were a number of questions
and comments raised by the eighty or so people in attendance, with two of Corky's responses being of interest to today's broadcast.
The first was a question regarding the dumping of food in BC from other
countries. For those unfamiliar, the term dumping is used to describe predatory
pricing tactics that are used by manufacturers or commodity groups who export a
product into another country at below the cost of production - and thereby
greatly hamper the ability for local producers to sell their product locally.
This has been a significant concern in BC for the province's tree-fruit
industry, which, in the case of apples, has been significantly harmed by the
dumping of apples from
CE: Anti-dumping laws means that if you grow lettuce, you allow
JS: And this next response to an audience question nicely leads into the next and last segment of today's show, and it was a response to a question on education, and what opportunities exist for younger farmers wishing to get into farming.
CE: If you wish to
learn how to farm, you pretty much have to go to another province. In other
provinces, states, and most of the European countries, there are programs to allow
young people to be able to afford or lease land. If the issue in 1972, was urban people subdividing farmland, the issue today
is that the price of farmland is beyond entry level of probably anybody in this
room, especially younger people who don't have something to cash in. Other
places in the world, like European countries, have laws that say for example:
if you find an abandoned or unused piece of land with arable soils, and if you
have a horticulture degree and a business plan, you can go to the Crown and ask
that that land be leased to you, and the government goes to the absentee
landlord and says "unless you put a crop on here we're leasing it to this young
lady for this price, according to her business plan. Because she has gone to
school and has a business plan." We have no such program in
JS: And that was Corky Evans
- the elected representative of the Nelson-Creston riding of
Those last comments by Corky Evans lead nicely into this
last segment on today's broadcast. It was only a few shows ago when we aired
the episode titled, "So, You Want to be a Farmer".
That show featured one of our recordings from the 2008 Certified Organic Assocations of BC conference held in
But for today, we'll meet Jordan Marr through an essay that
he wrote as part of the COABC's Fresh Voices contest.
The contest was launched to solicit new ideas to help the
COABC meet its mandate of "a strong and sustainable community, serving the
evolving needs of the organic sector and the public for generations to come."
Jordan Marr: Good morning everyone. I've been fairly nervous leading up to this speech. When I wrote this about six weeks ago, the Fresh Voices contest seemed like a really, really good idea. I was pretty excited to write my ideas down. And then when I heard that I'd won and that I was invited to come and read the speech it seemed like a really terrible idea. (laughter) As I'm sure is similar for a lot of people in the room with your own ideas, I find my ideas I'm constantly refining with experience. It's been an interesting exercise reading this again this week to prepare for the speech because, even in the last six weeks I've been on a lot more farms and talked to a lot more people. And while I wouldn't change what I wrote completely, I would probably refine a little bit, because I'm always learning.
So then I got here this weekend and I got really, really nervous meeting everyone. I'm not a farmer, I'm a wanna-be farmer, and I realize that most people in the room have a lot more knowledge about this kind of thing than I do. And I have to say it's been very refreshing being here, because the attitude has been so positive. And I think you'll detect in my speech a slightly pessimistic tone, at least in part of it. So it's made me even more nervous checking that against all the positive energy here. And as well I've realized in meeting some of the people and attending some of the workshops that maybe my ideas aren't as brilliant and original as I might like to think. I've constantly, throughout this conference, realized that a lot of people have very similar ideas, and that's really great.
Anyway, I should stop stalling, other than to thank the COABC and Robin for putting on the contest, I think it was a really good idea. So I guess I'll go ahead here. (applause) Thanks.
Members of the COABC, any society concerned with the sustainability of its agricultural production must look to its young people and ask them if they are going to farm. This is the most crucial question, since all other discussion about best practise and healthy agricultural communities are pointless if we will not have young farmers to take up our idle ploughs. If the answer is no, we must find out why, and then set out to remedy the problem before we do anything else. Currently, I believe the answer is no. Yet there always has been and always will be a small percentage of the population who feel most comfortable in the dirt. The problem is that it is no longer financially possible in most cases. Lots of young people want to farm, but they just can't afford it. If I'm right, then the COABC could seek to fulfill its mandate by helping to make farming more profitable, and thus a more realistic possibility for young people. No easy task, but I do think there are a few concrete actions the COABC could pursue towards making agriculture more profitable. The following are a few of my ideas.
Number one, creating a new market for local food: a high-rise Adopt-a-Farmer program. I've often marvelled at the sheer number of people that live in the condominiums in places like Vancouver's Yaletown, and the likelihood that most of them restrict their shopping to the upscale grocery stores in that neighbourhood. It has me wondering whether some sort of Adopt-a-Farmer program could be developed to capture that market, whereby once a week or month a farmer sets up a booth outside or in the lobby of a high-rise at the end of the business day. If we take Yaletown as an example, a farmer placed at one building would have access to literally hundreds of young urban professionals who, from my observation, are least likely to make the effort to get to a farmers market on Saturday. I can think of a number of obstacles to making this idea work, but none that are insurmountable.
Number two, dealing with the labour challenge. I have met farmers who experience net losses on their farm, only because they cannot attract the labour they need with the wages the farm can pay. Yet I and many others would easily trade high wages for a modest but stable rural lifestyle that included a permanent place to live on the farm we work. Thus, I've always figured that if I started a farm I'd like three or four other partners, all of whom would have a residence on the farm; and if that was the case I could circumvent the labour problem. And I want to step outside the speech and really quickly stress that for me at least, and I think, other people looking to get into farming, our own separate--however modest--residences, would be a really important selling point on a farm, to have our own place to go at the end of the day. However, I have learned there are a number of zoning rules for farms that prevent the building of numerous residences, and other such cooperative necessities. Thus, I think the COABC should review the zoning rules and help to pressure our governments to change those that inhibit a cooperative-type farm. And I should say here that I was really, really happy to attend The Land Conservancy and Farm Folk/City Folk workshop yesterday, and I saw that those specific issues were being addressed quite well by Heather and Ramona and others.
Number three, cooperative transport and retail. When I did my first farming apprenticeship in Nova Scotia, I met a farmer who had purchased a refrigerated truck to bring not only his own, but other farmers produce to the lucrative seven-days-a-week market in Halifax that many farmers were otherwise foregoing due to time constraints. Perhaps the COABC could help local organic farmers facilitate such an agreement here. I'm also waiting for a group of farmers to both capitalize on the rapid increase in interest in buying local, and also create a permanent place for their wares by a local food-only retail store, bringing together veggies, fruit, meat, dairy, and preserves produced locally. Customers might be attracted, and government dollars secured, if a commercial kitchen were attached to such a store so that members of the community could take workshops on cooking and preserving. I strongly believe these skills will soon be in high demand as more people desire a return to our food traditions.
And finally number four, gathering resources for young farmers. Having spent time searching the internet for resources that might help me start a farm, I have yet to find a well-coordinated site that attempts to bring together information that can otherwise be found in snippets all over the place. Since the COABC represents all of the certifying bodies in BC, I think its website may be a good candidate to serve as a hub for information for young farmers. And I've learned at this conference to also say new farmers, instead of biasing towards young people. Currently such a feature is lacking on the site, a search for 'young farmers' in the site's content turns up nothing.
That sums up my ideas. I hope they can be of at least some help, but more importantly I hope the COABC takes seriously the dire prospects facing young people who want to farm, but who currently have little reason to be optimistic, although as I've learned at the conference maybe there's slightly more reason to be optimistic than when I wrote this a few weeks ago. Thanks very much. (applause)
That was self-titled "wanna-be-farmer" Jordan
Marr who is currently apprenticing on a
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