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Dinner Kootenay Co-op Radio CJLY Nelson, B.C. Canada October
12, 2006 Title:
Chemical Food I Producer/Host - Jon Steinman Transcript
- Pat Yama Jon Steinman: And welcome to another broadcast of
Deconstructing Dinner produced at Kootenay Co-op
Radio in Nelson, British Columbia. My name's Jon Steinman. This weekly radio program
and podcast is heard on radio stations across Canada
and is one that while critical of the food we grow and the food we buy, is
ultimately a program that celebrates food. As with anything any of us are
concerned about whether it be our jobs, our families, our friends, these
concerns can only arise from the value that we place upon these components of
our lives. While
food is of course a major component of our lives. But what certainly makes each
of us so unique is how the value each place on food can be drastically
different from one another. And even those of us who never quite think about
what we're putting into our bodies, we are still nevertheless, valuing food as
those moments of the day are in the end, being put aside for eating. So
regardless of how food is a part of our lives, we all show concern for those
special moments of eating. Today's
broadcast is perhaps one of the most startling reasons why Canadians, North
Americans, and really every person on this planet should be deeply concerned
for this integral part of our lives - food. And the title of today's broadcast
is "Chemical Food". As many of us use chemicals on a daily basis whether they be
dish soaps, shampoos, window cleaners or deodorant, there are many chemicals we
don't recognize located in the plastic casing of our televisions, on the
clothes we wear, and in the food we eat. This
will be the first of an ongoing series that will explore this very topic of
chemical food. And joining me for today's broadcast will be Sarah Winterton of Environmental Defence
located in Toronto and Kathryn Knowles of the European Ramazzini
Foundation located in Bologna, Italy. And
so, as is done on each broadcast of Deconstructing Dinner, let's celebrate food
by showing concern for it. increase music and fade out JS: One of the more frequent questions I
receive regarding this program, Deconstructing Dinner, is asking how much time
is spent researching each show. And of the course the answer varies from show
to show but for this particular broadcast there is little doubt that
researching chemicals in food could very well be an ongoing and never-ending
process that really could become the basis for an entire radio program in
itself. And so in narrowing down how this broadcast titled "Chemical Food"
could best illustrate the political and economical process of how chemicals end
up in the food supply, we will explore one of the most controversial chemicals
ever granted approval as a food additive. And that of course, is aspartame. While
aspartame, otherwise known as NutraSweet or Equal pops in and out of the media
radar from time-to-time, the most recent exposure of this additive has been the
result of the published findings of the most comprehensive study ever conducted
on this chemical. A chemical that makes it way into thousands of products
around the world. The uncertainty surrounding aspartame is a rather explicit
example of how many potentially dangerous ingredients and processes end up as
part of the food that is most available to humans on this planet. And we will
hear some very powerful comments from a spokesperson for this most recent study
but that will be later on today's broadcast. And
first we will hear from Sarah Winterton of the
Toronto-based group, Environmental Defence. The
not-for-profit organization strives to protect the environment and human health
and as they state in their mission, "they research, they educate, they go to
court when they have to, all in order to ensure clean air, safe food, and thriving
ecosystems nationwide." The
group has received a notable amount of attention since their recent study
titled "Toxic Nation." A study that analyzed the level of chemicals inside the
body of 11 Canadians - one of those Canadians being a well-known artist and
naturalist Robert Bateman. As a follow-up to the Toxic Nation study,
Environmental Defence released yet another report
titled "Polluted Children" which released in June of this year 2006, took a
close look at the chemical composition of individual families across the
country. And as the findings indicate, children are much more vulnerable to the
chemicals that surround us on a daily basis. While food additives like
aspartame were not part of the Toxic Nation study, the results of North
America's obsession with using vast quantities of chemical pesticides on our
food is one that was assessed. Around
the world, Canada has always been viewed as a leader in natural preservation
but this visually beautiful country of ours is one of the planet's biggest
polluters. And while some countries step up to tackle toxic pollution, Canada
is far behind. As Sarah Winterton, the Programme Director of Environmental Defence
points out, the opportunity exists now to bring the regulation of toxic
chemicals up to international standards. And a key deadline has just recently
passed on September 14th. And Sarah explains what this deadline
means for Canadians and those around the world who are exposed to our polluted
country. Sarah Winterton: Well, it is significant to us
because we hope it's the beginning of real action on controlling pollution
emissions in Canada. September 14th was the day that the federal
government was suppose to complete the review of the 23,000 chemicals that are
currently in use in Canada, and make a list of the most hazardous substances. So,
they announced that they have completed the list - it took them I think around
seven years. At this point we don't know what chemicals are on it but we're
expecting some action to be announced under the Green Plan 2 that the Harper
government has been promoting. JS: As it may come as a surprise to many
Canadians that only now does our federal government seem to be taking steps to
manage the thousands of chemicals used in this country, Sarah describes how
these chemicals were managed up until now. SW: Well, they weren't managed effectively
at all. The 23,000 chemicals have been on this list for quite a number of years
and in our view, they've never been subject to adequate safety testing. They
were put on the list by the federal government because there was some concern,
there are still questions that haven't been answered about their toxicity,
their affect on human health, how they're being emitted into the environment. So
what we're hoping now is that we'll start to see some real action on them -
quick action on some of the most hazardous substances. We've had some recent
action on a class of chemicals called Perfluorinated
Compounds and we're hoping that a couple of them have made it onto the toxic
substances list so that therefore, this will precipitate some action. It all
sounds very process-oriented and it is. We've seen other jurisdictions like
Europe where they have started to act on these chemicals so they're ahead of us
and we're at the point of playing catch-up here in Canada. JS: One of the troubling findings of the
research that went into producing this broadcast with Deconstructing Dinner was
discovering the ease at which industry convinces Federal Health authorities to
approve potentially dangerous chemicals from entering into the environment and
into our food. And while an approval and regulatory process does certainly
exist for such products. It is the moments when products get removed from the
market that we can then see how inadequate our government has been in
protecting the health of Canadians. SW: Industry will say that they've done
adequate safety testing. A lot of questions are left out or have been left out.
And they relate to questions such as chronic toxicity, how early endocrine
disruption, developmental neural toxicity, not enough questions have ever been
asked of these toxic chemicals. The risk assessment for exposure, so in order
to set so-called safety limits on them have largely been based on an adult,
there's not even an adult male exposure. So leaving out a whole section of the
population like kids, people who may be more vulnerable. Most of the chemicals
that we've had to take off the market because they've shown up as having
terrible affects, like DDT, all of those have happened once the problem has
started to arise out their either in wildlife or in people. So it's always been
after the fact. We're not looking at rigorous testing that has shown up any
potential problems in advance. JS: While DDT provides an example of how
chemicals are only removed from the market when a noticeable danger is then
discovered, this particular chemical has yet again made headlines in recent
weeks. First jumping back to post World War II era, DDT was most recognized for
the aggressive marketing campaign that used the slogan, "DDT is good for me". But
it was this chemical pesticide that fueled Rachel Carson's 1962 book, "Silent
Spring" which alleged that DDT caused cancer and harm to bird reproduction. It
was this book that is said to have spawned the modern environmental movement
and DDT was subsequently banned for agricultural use in many countries. But
what is now being billed as yet another example of corruption among the
chemical industry in the United States Environmental Protection Agency, the
World Health Organization announced on September 15th a new approach
to fighting malaria. And at the centre of the approach is DDT. And you can stay
updated to this controversial news by visiting the Pesticide Action Networks
North American website, panna.org. But here in Canada the federal approach to
the many chemicals used in our food and other industrial and commercial
applications is also under pressure. And Sarah Winterton
takes a look at Environmental Defence's first study
released in 2005 titled, "Toxic Nation". A study that looked at the chemical
composition of individual Canadians. SW: Well we've had a couple of ways to look
at this issue and it's been quite interesting because we initially started to
look at what kinds of things are showing up in food by getting a hold of Health
Canada's Total Diet Study program results. And this is a study they have been
conducting at sort of infrequent intervals on Canadian food that's just bought
generally in the grocery store and cooked, you know as you would cook it. So
they've gone out, bought food, cooked it up like any Canadian family would and
then tested it. So we through Freedom of Information got the results of those
studies. The most recent one that we know of conducted from 1992 to 1996, so
we're able to get a good glimpse of what kind of substances are showing up in
the Canadian diet. Then, consequently, we've done some blood and urine testing
on Canadians to see what kinds of toxic chemicals are showing up in us. So
we've had the kind of the preview and then the after-view of the issue. And I
have to emphasize this but they are glimpses of what is going on out there. When
we looked at the first set of data on what can be found in food, we found a
wide range of things. You know, heavy metals, pesticides. Within the heavy
metals we've got lead, cadmium, arsenic, mercury showing up. Lots of different
pesticides are showing up in food. And this happens because, you know, we use
pesticides on food; we use them when the crops are growing; we put them on
food, we want to prevent food from going bad while being shipped. So plants,
they can take up toxic chemicals from the soil, from the water, from the air. So
there's deliberate application of chemicals to our food products and then just
inadvertent uptake of chemicals because they are present out there in the
environment. JS: As has been the approach by Canadian
government when assessing the risks of chemicals used in this country, these
risks have only been examined on a chemical-by-chemical basis. And as Sarah
points out, that leaves out the risks of being exposed to multiple chemicals
every day. SW: As part of the whole food industry, the
whole process of us getting food from fields to table and then into us, there's
chemical contact that goes on through food preparation and then through
storage. So some of the chemicals that we are really concerned about belong in
the perfluorinated compound category. And this is the
chemical that's found in non-stick cookware. It's found also in food wrap fast
food packaging. So for example, if you are cooking up something in your
non-stick pan, the chemical can migrate into the food. If you're eating
microwave popcorn then that same chemical is applied to the inside of the
microwave popcorn bag and then it can migrate into, possible it can migrate
into popcorn. Another
example would be a chemical called Bisphenol A which
is found in the plastic wraps, plastic drinking bottles, and in the insides of
cans in that little plastic liner of cans. And this is a chemical that can also
migrate into food. And these chemicals are associated with health affects like
cancer, neurodevelopmental disorders, endocrine
disruption. So they're linked with serious health effects. But
what we're talking about, in the data that we have found through our studies,
we're not talking about acute exposures - so something that is going to affect
you immediately. We're talking about small amounts of toxic chemicals from many
different sources every day of your life. We're concerned with the total
exposure - so all the accumulative exposure from many different sources. The
safety data that is put out they're on chemicals, refers more to exposure to
one single chemical. So for example, Health Canada will set an exposure limit
for a chemical that's based on you only being in contact with that chemical. It
doesn't consider the fact, that well, through the course of your day and night,
you're in contact with many different chemicals from many different sources. So
it's accumulative impact that we're concerned about, day after day after day
after day. JS: Following up Environmental Defence's first report, they released yet another Toxic
Nature study in 2006 titled, "Polluted Children". Where they instead of
studying individual Canadians, looked at families across the country and how
toxic each family was. One of the most startling statistics and one where the
future outcome can only be predicted is that children have been found to have
higher levels of toxins in their bodies than adults. While adults have been
exposed to chemicals over a longer period of time, how could children be more
toxic? SW: In the study that we conducted we tested
13 people - so six adults and seven children. The adults were all parents of
the children. So we tested them for 68 chemicals and in some cases for
particular chemicals we found children have higher levels. And that was
specifically for the chemical Perfluorinated Compound
that I mentioned earlier - the non-stick chemicals, flame retardants, and then
a chemical known as Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons which are the result of
incomplete burning of coal, gas, oil, garbage, that kind of thing. Kids
have a special vulnerability to toxic chemicals and this relates to their growth
rate and their exposure to their per kilogram of body weight. So for example,
if you have an apple and the adult eats the apple they'll get whatever, you
know if there are toxins in the apple they'll ingest those toxins. Then a kid
eats the same apple and they're getting the same amount of toxins from the
apple but because they have a lower body weight they're getting a relatively
higher exposure to the toxin. Because the allowable exposure that is set by
Health Canada is based on a per kilogram per body weight ratio. So kids are
smaller, their relative exposure is greater to a toxic chemical. There
are other factors that make kids more vulnerable. For example, in utero, what crosses the placenta goes directly into the
developing child. And they found through studies conducted in the United States
by an organization called Environmental Working Group, they tested for
chemicals crossing the placenta and they found over 200 in the developing
child. And these were the toxic chemicals that we've been finding in our own
studies like heavy metals, flame retardants, the non-stick chemicals,
pesticides, the whole gamut of chemicals are crossing the placenta and getting
into the fetus. Also,
the blood brain barrier which will partly protect an adult from exposure is not
fully developed until a child is six months, roughly six months of age. And
then similarly in children up until age one, the digestive tract, the skin and
the lungs, they are still quite permeable and so they absorb substances more
readily than an adult might. There's also a question of behaviour.
Kids roll around in the ground, dust has actually a lot of toxic chemicals in
it. They put stuff in their mouths. There's a whole question of behaviour as well on how kids can differ their behaviour from adults. There are a number of chemicals that
are airborne that also hang out at different levels of the atmosphere. So for
example, they'll be more concentrated at a lower level to the ground where kids
are versus a taller adult. So it's quite complex and there are many different
factors but it all points to a special vulnerability of children. JS: And you're tuned in to Deconstructing
Dinner, a weekly radio program and podcast produced
at Kootenay Co-Op Radio in Nelson, British Columbia. Today's
broadcast titled "Chemical Food" is exploring how potentially dangerous and
proven to be dangerous chemical are making their way into our food supply. We
are currently hearing clips from an interview I conducted with Sarah Winterton, the Programme Director
for Environmental Defence, a not-for-profit group
based in Toronto, and the recent orchestrators of the
Toxic Nation study. One that took a closer look at the chemicals in Canadians. One
of the chemicals that Sarah has referred to, are flame retardants which are
chemicals that prevent many products that exist in our homes from catching
fire. These chemicals can be found in televisions, home appliances, computers,
furniture, and even clothing. This
class of chemicals has been receiving quite a bit of opposition in recent
years. So much so that there is now a slow move by both industry and government
regulators to limit their use. But of interest, is how flame retardants are
very similar in composition to PCBs, the class of compounds that were banned in
the 1970s. PCBs were used in agriculture and as flame retardants. But of
interest is one of the companies who produced and marketed PCBs between 1930
and 1977 under the trade name Aroclor. And that
company was Monsanto. And I bring this up because never on this program has
there been an attempt to expose the practices of what is arguably the most
influential company in the world of food - Monsanto. And instead, this company
just seems to appear whenever a dangerous product or practice is discussed on
this program. And without any strategic planning on the part of this radio
program, Monsanto was also very involved with the chemical aspartame - the
focus of the next part of today's broadcast. And as this company is allowed to
continue making money off of almost every person on this planet, their PCBs can
still be found in the bodies of Canadians. And Sarah Winterton
explains. SW: In both of our studies, we looked at
Canadians from coast to coast. And in our first study we tested First Nations'
Chief from Whapmagoostui, which is halfway up James
Bay. In that first study, actually he turned out to be the most toxic, to have
the highest exposure of all the participants. In the second study, we tested,
as I said, 13 people in total - so six adults and seven children. So, Vancouver
family, we had a family in Toronto, a family in Montreal, and a family in New
Brunswick. What
we found, we had a similar result from the first study. The kids had lower
levels of PCBs, generally speaking, and pesticides than the adults. And PCBs,
they were banned in the 70s so this could set you to thinking - oh well if we
ban these substances, it will actually make a difference to future generations
there'll be less exposure. And you know that could be true, we'd need more
study to really bear out that conclusion. But at the same time, PCBs, these
were banned before any these kids were born. In the first study they were young
women in their 20s and then in the second study, the youngest participant was
10. So PCBs have been banned long before these people were born and they're
still showing up. So that speaks to how long these things persist, how long
that they can potentially affect our health. With
the kids in our study we found that generally speaking, they had higher levels
of the perfluorinated compounds and the flame
retardants and also higher levels of the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. And
the Vancouver family in particular, the kids had higher levels than any of the
other kids in the study. So for example, the Vancouver family had a daughter aged
15 and a son aged 13. This is one case in which the daughter had more PCBs than
her mom. In the terms of flame retardants, the daughter was the only person n
the study to have all five flame retardants we tested. Under the category of
flame retardants we tested five different types. She had all five. And she and
her brother each had higher levels of different flame retardants than their
mother. And both kids had higher levels of PAHs than
their mom and the son had the highest concentration of PFCs,
so the perfluorinated compounds in the family. And
this surprised them because they've been fairly careful. They've eaten
primarily organic diet their whole lives, they've grown up in the Gulf Islands
and they now live in Vancouver and so, you know, it kind of makes you think
well, that's a pretty natural area - the Gulf Islands are seen as quite
pristine and beautiful. So it really leads you to wonder where do all these
things come from? How do you protect yourself from them? JS: One observation that may come out of
hearing of how such dangerous chemicals are tested, approved, and then removed
from the market is the cyclical nature of the process. Since the industrial
revolution some of the very same companies who promoted chemicals that are now
proven to be dangerous are using the very same methods to push even newer
chemicals and new technologies into our food supply. The measures of safety
that have been used by health authorities in both Canada and the United States
are the very same methods of safety assurance that industry uses. And what is
this method? Science. Is perhaps this cycle that our culture continually goes
through when addressing dangerous products a symptom of our trust and faith in
science? Science after all is not static. And the more scientists study a
subject, the more they learn. SW: Certainly we find that in any study that
we've looked at when they've been really, really examining a chemical closely. I
haven't seen a study that increases the amount of a chemical that you can be
exposed to so they're always finding that they have to go to lower and lower
levels for a chemical we considered safe. So the more we find out about these
chemicals it seems we're finding that they are more toxic than we initially
thought. And I think part of that comes from the fact that a lot of the studies
are looking for the extreme results. So for example say they are looking for
cancer - is it going to have that kind of direct effect. And what hasn't been
explored to a great extent are the more subtle affects and that would be on the
endocrine system so when you are looking hormone disrupters and how chemicals
can affect that very delicate process of when our hormones get turned on in our
bodies as we grow, how we produce them and in what quantity. We haven't done
very many studies in terms of how low levels of chemicals can affect key points
in our neurological development, in utero and then
you know when a kid is little and the brain is just developing rapidly. Right
now we're looking at results and trying to come up with policy based on studies
that are really inadequate - they don't ask the right questions and they don't
go into the right kind of detail. You know the environmentalists, the
precautionary principle is something that we espouse for many different issues.
So when we are demanding action from the federal government on regulation of
toxic chemicals, included in that action we want the worst ones just phased
out. Let's get rid of them. But at the same time we want to shift the burden of
proof to industry to prove that they are safe before they go on the market so
we are not playing catch-up when an affect starts to show up in wildlife or in
people. Currently, the federal legislation - the Canadian Environmental
Protection Act focuses on chemicals that industry uses or manufactures and
releases. JS: Sarah Winterton
is the Programme Director of Environmental Defence. A group that is putting pressure on the government
to take immediate action in removing the most dangerous chemicals currently
approved for use. But while this pressure is certainly an important step to
protect the health of Canadians, our government's close relationships with
industry and with the American government which has proven time and time again
to not be trustworthy, leads us to an equally if not more important step, and
that is to utilize our power as consumers. As consumers we are also creators
and what we choose to purchase is one tool to promote change. And our choice to
buy foods that are grown and produced using dangerous chemicals is perhaps the
most concrete example of how our food choices impact our planet. SW: And along that road of increasing
commercial applications of this chemical, nobody's ever has been told about it,
about its potential health affects; nobody's ever been told that the perfluorinated compounds are probably one of the most
persistent chemicals ever made. So once it's out in the environment nothing
breaks it down. And this is like the big feature of it - hey, great, get this
chemical that will never break down, but that quality is actually a big warning
signal from an environmental perspective if you're putting chemicals out into
the environment that persist and do not break down. Because it means that once
they're out there they're out there forever and you just keep adding more and
more. So
now we are looking at finding this chemical all around the world in many
different species of wildlife that have been tested. You know going down to
sort of the south finding it in albatrosses; going up into the north and
finding it in polar bears. You know, so it has circumnavigated the globe fairly
quickly through all of the different applications both industrial and
commercial. So these kinds of chemicals do become a global issue quite quickly.
And how they may affect trade and how food gets shipped from place to place,
and under what agreements the issues of how they persist and act and threaten
the environment have to be up there in that discussion. JS: In wrapping up my conversation with
Sarah Winterton, she explained yet another project of
Environmental Defence and that is their Food Watch
website, a tool that takes advantage of an incredibly important series of
studies. Studies that since they were first conducted in 1969 have never been
shared with Canadians. It was more than likely a result of the Environmental Defence's formal request for the results of these studies
that these results have since been made public on the Health Canada website. SW: We launched Food Watch because we wanted
to give Canadians access to a database that's been produced by Health Canada
for a few decades, which is the Total Diet Study. And nobody has seen it
before, nobody has been able to look at it. And it took us I think, 15 months
through Freedom of Information to get this database. We finally got it in
February 2002 and we were able to put it up on our website under the Food Watch
program and make it interactive so people could search and take a look at the
kinds of things that could show up in the food that they might be eating. Now
this data that's up on our site now it's based on testing that was done from
1992 to 1996. And the Total Diet Study is not something that Health Canada does
frequently. It gives us a snapshot. This snapshot doesn't include the perfluorinated compounds for example. They didn't test for
those in ‘92, ‘96. So I think it speaks to the need for further study, further
identification of the kinds of things that are showing up in our food. Go on
the site you can…we call it the "Toxic Tracker" so you can identify your
gender, your age and find out what kind of things that you might be exposed to
based on your gender and age and typical eating patterns. You can also go in
and search by "food category" so you can find out what kind of chemicals show
up in dairy, what kinds of chemicals show up in meat products. You can refine
it further and select for specific classes of chemicals. So you can look for
only heavy metals or you can look for only herbicides, that kind of thing. So
you can get a broad picture or you can get a more specific picture depending on
what you're interested in learning. JS: And that was Sarah Winterton
of Environmental Defence, a Toronto-based
organization that strives to protect the environment in human health across the
Canada. Their website is environmentaldefence.ca. And their Food Watch website
is foodwatch.ca. All of this information is also available on the
Deconstructing Dinner website. And that website cjly.net/deconstructingdinner. soundbite JS: For those of you just tuning in, this is
Deconstructing Dinner a syndicated weekly one hour radio program and podcast. Today's broadcast is the first of an ongoing
series titled "Chemical Food". And as the first part of this broadcast explored
chemicals that inadvertently end up in our food, the next part of the broadcast
will explore a chemical that is intended for food. Probably
the most controversial chemical ever added to processed foods, chewing gum,
toothpaste, and pharmaceuticals is aspartame. Since it was first approved for
use in both Canada and the United States in 1981, this food additive better
known under the brand names NutraSweet and Equal, has received a notable amount
of attention from conspiracy theorists, consumers, and health authorities. But
attention on aspartame has risen once again since the European Ramazzini Foundation published the result of the most
comprehensive study ever conducted on the chemical sweetener. The study has
concluded that aspartame is indeed, a cancer-causing chemical at levels far
below those set as recommended intakes by Health Canada, the FDA, and the
European Food Safety Authority. The primary author of this study was Dr. Morando Soffritti,
of the European Ramazzini Foundation located in
Bologna, Italy. And we will shortly hear clips from an interview I conducted
with the Director of Resource Development for the foundation who spoke on Dr. Soffritti's behalf. But
to better understand the significance of such a study, it is first important to
look at the history of aspartame, a food additive that being 100 to 200 times
sweeter than sugar, is now used in over 6,000 products worldwide as a low
calorie alternative. Like with many chemical sweeteners, aspartame was
discovered by accident. And it was in 1965 that a chemist working for G.E.
Searle & Co. stumbled upon it while developing anti-ulcer medication. Now
preliminary studies pointed to the chemical causing cancer in laboratory
animals and as a result aspartame was not approved by the United States Food
and Drug Administration, the FDA. And this where the story gets interesting and
where conspiracy theorists get very excited because between 1977 and 1985 the
current Secretary of Defence, Donald Rumsfeld, was the President and CEO of G.E. Searle. Rumsfeld pushed very hard to get aspartame approved and
some key personnel adjustments at the FDA led to the chemical getting the green
light. And this was to the disapproval of a number of key scientists. One
instance of this disapproval is even documented on the FDA website. As
mentioned during the beginning of this broadcast, one company that always seems
to come up when speaking of the questionable nature of certain foods and
agricultural practices, is Monsanto. And yes, Monsanto is connected to the
story behind aspartame. Because in 1985, Monsanto purchased G.E. Searle and
their aspartame product, better known as NutraSweet. NutraSweet was then
purchased from Monsanto by a Chicago-based company in 2000. And
so, moving along to the focus of the aspartame issue, we will now hear clips
from my conversation with Kathryn Knowles, the Director of Resource Development
for the European Ramazzini Foundation based in
Bologna, Italy. The Foundation's recently published findings from their study
on aspartame point to the chemical as carcinogenic. And Kathryn spoke to me on
behalf of Dr. Morando Soffritti,
the primary author of this study. As the vast majority of aspartame studies
have been industry-sponsored, Kathryn first explained who funds the Ramazzini Foundation. And I will first note that the sound
quality of this recording is not ideal and I do hope that the content will make
up for this technical circumstance. Kathryn Knowles: The European Foundation of
Oncology and Environmental Sciences B. Ramazzini,
which I will refer to as the European Ramazzini
Foundation, is a non-profit private institution in Bologna, Italy. And its
facilities include Cesare Maltoni
Cancer Research Center located in Bentivoglio where
one of the world's largest and longest existing programs of carcinogenicity
bioassays is conducted. In terms of accomplishments, carcinogenicity studies on
more than 200 compounds has been in the work and general environments have been
performed in the laboratories of the European Ramazzini
Foundation. Compounds demonstrated to be carcinogenic here include vinyl
chloride, benzene, formaldehyde, gasolines, some
pesticides, and of course aspartame. Funding
for our research is raised from a variety of sources including international,
national, and local governments, private bank foundations and most importantly
from the 18,000 members of the National Ramazzini
Institute which is a social cooperative that supports the work of the
Foundation. JS: One of the key features of the
Foundation's aspartame study was their use of what is called a, "lifespan
mega-experiment". And Kathryn Knowles describes the advantages of such a
method. KK: The European Ramazzini
Foundation conducts what are known as lifespan mega-experiments. And this means
that large groups of rodents are allowed to live out their natural lifespan and
are examined for histopathological changes upon
spontaneous or natural death. This model is in contrast with most laboratories
where rodents are sacrificed at 110 weeks of age, representing about two-thirds
of their lifespan. The Ramazzini designs closely mirrors
the human condition in which persons may be exposed to agents in industrial and
general environments from embryonic life until natural death. So why is this
important? Well we know that since 80% of cancer is diagnosed in humans over
the age of 55, it is of paramount importance to observe how an agent affects
laboratory animals in the last third of their lives. Had we stopped the
experiment at 110 weeks of age we would most likely never have demonstrated the
carcinogenicity of important industrial compounds such as xylenes,
mancozeb, vinyl acetate monomer, etc. JS: As the European Ramazzini
Foundation's mission is to prevent cancer, they focus much of their work on
sweeteners such as aspartame and do so in response to what they refer to as the
globalization of the industrialized diet. KK: Well, sure, globalization just to
clarify, is not the reason that we conduct work on sweeteners. But, rather, the
presence of artificial sweeteners in thousands of products both in the
industrialized and developing world means that a large part of the population
is now exposed or will be exposed to what may represent what we call potential
diffused carcinogenic risks. So what is a diffused risk? That's a risk that's
represented by agents which are slightly carcinogenic at any dose or a low or
extremely low doses of a carcinogenic agent of any kind, or of course, mixtures
of small doses of carcinogenic agents at any kind. So, here when we talk about
the importance of globalization, we're talking about how these diffused
carcinogenic risks, which are currently present in industrialized countries are
slowly becoming diffused also in the developing world. JS: As prior long term studies on aspartame
were conducted by G.E. Searle, the company that developed aspartame, Kathryn
speaks to the validity of such a study. A study that to this day has provided
the foundation for the approval of aspartame. KK: Prior to the commercialization of
aspartame in the 1970s, the manufacturers of the compound conducted various
experimental studies on rats and mice to test for carcinogenicity. When taken
together the results of these studies were considered negative with regard to
the carcinogenicity of aspartame. Doubts were raised by some of the scientific
community about the conduct of the experiments and the fact that some cases
malignant brain tumours were found among animals
treated with aspartame while none were found among the control group. And given
the location of these studies and again, the ever growing use of aspartame
throughout the years, the European Ramazzini
Foundation decided in the late 1990s to plan and perform an experiment that
would, based on the total number of animals used, the number of dose level
studies and most importantly, the conduct of the experiment, provided adequate
evaluation for the first time of the potential carcinogenic risks of aspartame. I
should also add that the previous studies were of course conducted by the
manufacturer of aspartame and again, that the European Ramazzini
Foundation is an independent non-profit foundation. JS: There are many influential organizations
that condone the use of aspartame. And many of them refer to the over 200
studies that have been said to prove that aspartame is safe. But as Kathryn
Knowles indicates, this number is misleading. KK: I can confirm that the number 200 is
very misleading when we are talking about carcinogenicity. We need to ask the
questions - what type of study was conducted; how was the study conducted. Prior
to our study on aspartame, only four, four long-term carcinogenicity bioassays
had ever been conducted on aspartame. And indeed, all four of these studies
were industry-sponsored. So, our study which involves the carcinogenicity,
there were only four studies prior to ours and 100% of those were industry-sponsored. JS: If you are just tuning in, this is
Deconstructing Dinner where we are currently listening to Kathryn Knowles of
the European Ramazzini Foundation. The Foundation
just recently published their findings from the most comprehensive study ever
conducted on aspartame, better known under the brand names NutraSweet and
Equal. I recently spoke with Kathryn from her office in Bologna, Italy. And to
better understand how the Foundation went about conducting such a large study,
Kathryn explains the basics. KK: The long-term bioassay on aspartame
conducted by the European Ramazzini Foundation is
indeed the largest most comprehensive carcinogenicity study ever performed on
aspartame, both in terms of the number of rodents and the dose levels tested. So,
to be more specific, the study used 1,800 Sprague-Dawley
rats, that was 900 males and 900 females, of the colony used in the same
laboratory for over 30 years. In order to stimulate daily human intake,
aspartame was added to the standard rat diet in quantities of 5,000, 2,500,
100, 500, 20, 4, and 0 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. Treatment of the
animals began at eight weeks of age and continued until spontaneous death - a
long-term mega-experiment. After the animals died, a complete necropsy and histopathological evaluation of all tissues and organs was
then performed and over 34,000 slides were examined by microscope. JS: As is the reason for featuring aspartame
on today's broadcast of Deconstructing Dinner, Kathryn explains the key findings
of the study. KK: The results of the study demonstrate
that aspartame, administered at varying levels in feed causes a statistically
significant dose related increase of lymphomas, leukemias,
and malignant tumours of the renal pelvis in female
rats and malignant tumours of peripheral nerves in
male rats. The results demonstrate for the first time that aspartame is a
carcinogenic agent capable of inducing malignancies at dose levels lower than
the current acceptable daily intake for humans which the European Union is 40
milligrams per kilogram of body weight and in the U.S, 50 milligrams per
kilogram of body weight. JS: Here in Canada, the current acceptable
daily intake of aspartame is the same as that of the E.U. - at 40 milligrams
per kilogram of body weight. For those perhaps unfamiliar with scientific
research and methods used, Kathryn explains the importance of using rats in
studies designed to predict responses in the human body. KK: Well, according to the International
Agency for Research on Cancer, IARC of the World Health Organization, results
of long-term bioassays conducted on rodents are highly predictive of
carcinogenic risks for humans. In fact, one third of the chemicals considered
by IARC to be carcinogenic in humans were anticipated by rodent studies. Agents
first demonstrated to be carcinogenic in humans on the other hand, were later
were also confirmed to be carcinogenic in rodents. JS: The Ramazzini
Foundation suggests one of EFSA's major responses to
their study to be rather bizarre. And that was the response to what is possibly
the most important finding with the study that lymphomas and leukemias increased in rats treated with aspartame. EFSA
dismisses this part of the study due to a high incidence of chronic
inflammatory changes in the lungs. And Kathryn responds to this key opinion
made by Europe's Food Safety Authority. KK: Well, in examining the raw data of our
study, EFSA observed a high incidence of chronic pulmonary inflammation in
males and females in both treated groups and the control. And based on this
information they concluded that the increase incidence of these lymphomas and leukemias was, "unrelated to aspartame given the high
background incidence of chronic inflammatory changes in the lungs." In our
opinion, EFSA's conclusion can only be described as
bizarre for the following reasons. One, the EFSA's
opinion overlooks the fact that study was conducted until the natural death of
the animals and it is well-known that infectious pathologies are a part of the
natural dying process in both rodents and humans. And secondly, we should point
out that if the statistical significance increased incidence of lymphomas and leukemias observed was indeed caused by an infected colony
as EFSA states, one would then expect to observe these lymphomas and leukemias not only in females but also males. And EFSA
simply did not comment on this discrepancy in their logic. JS: And yet another flaw that the Ramazzini Foundation points to when responding to EFSA's opinion on their study is that the panel did not
review previous carcinogenic studies on aspartame. But the Ramazzini
Foundation believes that this would have been integral to forming an opinion. KK: The previous carcinogenic studies of
course, form the basis for determining that aspartame was safe. So it's very
difficult to understand why only the study that demonstrated aspartame to be
carcinogenic was subjected to this kind of scrutiny and requests were made to
review slides, have all this raw data, etc. when they were not pry the same
scrutiny to the other studies. So it doesn't seem that a full evaluation on the
whole aspartame picture was really conducted but rather an evaluation of the Ramazzini study. JS: Here in North America the American FDA
and Health Canada have both agreed with the opinion of EFSA. But both the FDA
and Health Canada are nevertheless further analyzing the data from the Ramazzini study. But as Kathryn Knowles indicates, the FDA
especially is now in a very fragile position. KK: For the U.S. FDA this problem is even
more urgent than it is for the European counterparts because of the law
governing food additives in the U.S. And in particular the Delaney Clause of
the Food Additives Amendment which basically says that no additive shall be
deemed safe if it is found to induce cancer when ingested by man or laboratory
animals. And this law was designed to protect citizens with a zero cancer risk
standard. So, now that aspartame has in our study demonstrated to induce cancer
in animals, it follows that aspartame is not safe as a food additive for
humans. And it is the U.S. FDA that needs to make this conclusion. So they have
a very large responsibility under U.S. law to review our data. JS: While the FDA continues to look into the
data, the Union of Concerned Scientists, an alliance of 100,000 citizens and
scientists believe that the operations of the FDA need to be closely
scrutinized. On July 20th of this year 2006, the Union released
survey results that demonstrate what they call, "Pervasive and Dangerous
Political Influence of Science" at the Food and Administration. Of the 997 FDA
scientists who responded to the survey, nearly one-fifth, that's 18.4%, said
that, "have been asked for non-scientific reasons to inappropriately exclude or
alter technical information or their conclusions in a FDA scientific document."
Five thousand, nine hundred and eighteen scientists were sent surveys. soundbite JS: On a number of recent broadcasts of
Deconstructing Dinner the science used by industry to push their products onto
the market has often been referred to as "sloppy science." This has especially
been indicated in response to the science used to promote genetic modification
of food. Back in 1996 the then medical consultant for NutraSweet said that
aspartame could not cause a tumour. And here's a
recording of that very statement. Audio: Aspartame cannot cause any tumour including brain tumour. Why?
Because aspartame per say, is completely digestive. The molecule aspartame
never gets into the bloodstream, it never reaches any organs. JS: In response to this statement, Kathryn
Knowles of the Ramazzini Foundation indicates that
this ignores a key stage that takes place in our bodies. KK: Well, I can only speak to these studies
that we have conducted on aspartame. And we did not conduct mechanistic studies
meaning how aspartame actually affects the organism. We do know however that
aspartame is metabolized aspartic acid, phenylalanine,
and methanol. We also know that methanol is further metabolized into
formaldehyde. So with regard to lymphomas and leukemias,
that the main result of the Ramazzini study, we can
only correlate cause and effect based on other studies conducted in our
laboratory under the same experimental conditions, including studies on
formaldehyde. Which interestingly, also causes an increase in incidence in
lymphomas and leukemias in rats. So, based on the
action of formaldehyde on rats, we can hypothesize that this may also play a
role in the carcinogenicity of aspartame. So saying that aspartame couldn't
cause a tumour because it does not reach organs
intact, doesn't follow this logic that metabolized can also affect an organism. JS: And so if the FDA relies on what is
seemingly sloppy science, who is it that the FDA is relying on and with such
close-knit trade and food regulations here in Canada, who is also influencing
Health Canada? With
their findings published around the same time as the Ramazzini
study on aspartame, the National Cancer Institute of the United States
conducted their own aspartame study. While the NCI is a governmental
organization they have frequently been accused of conflicts of interest
springing from what have been called intimate connections with corporate
America. Former NCI Director, Samuel Broder was once
heard saying this, "The NCI has become what amounts to a governmental
pharmaceutical company." And Kathryn responds to the NCI study on aspartame. One
that is currently being promoted as enough of a reason to continue using this
chemical in food. KK: As I mentioned previously, it's always
important to ask what kind of study and how is it conducted. So the study
conducted by the U.S. National Cancer Institute was actually a large diet
questionnaire survey in which self-reported aspartame consumption over the last
year in persons from age 50 to 69 showed no increases in either lymphomas or leukemias or in brain cancer. So basically by asking
retired persons to fill out a survey in which they indicated their own memory
of aspartame consumption in the previous year, the paper declared that aspartame
is not carcinogenic. However, without specific information on individuals
consumption rates and duration, it's certainly difficult to assess the surveys
actual power despite the large number of participants. Of
course, there's another issue here, that is whether aspartame is an early or
late stage carcinogen. If it is an early stage initiator of cancer then
reporting the lack of affects in older individuals - this study was on retired
persons who have not consumed aspartame since early childhood, would be
expected to show little or no increases in cancer. JS: Additional support for aspartame comes
from a number of other influential organizations, all of whom are heavily
funded by corporate interests. Here in Canada, the Canadian Cancer Society of
whom heavy aspartame user Coca Cola has been a major donor stands by their
statement, "Aspartame, also known as NutraSweet does not cause cancer." The
Canadian Diabetes Association also supports aspartame. Aspartame is of course a
seemingly ideal substitute for sugar. As former radio host and former British
Columbia Cabinet Minister Rafe Mair
who is a diabetic contends, "you either buy into the Canadian Diabetes
Association which gets funding from the chemical companies, listen to
propaganda, or you do your due diligence on the internet - a daunting task." And
in wrapping up my interview with Kathryn Knowles, she left me with the
following comment. One that re-emphasizes the importance of rodent studies when
predicting human responses. KK: Rodent studies have helped in the
identification of numerous carcinogenic agents. But really, the characteristics
of the Ramazzini study, in particular the dimension
of the experiment and the fact that it was done on 1,800 animals, really
reduces the uncertainties that are usually raised with extrapolating the dose
specific cancer risks from rats to humans. And in conclusion I would just say
that the precautionary principle calls for caution when there is a perception
of danger. And here we are far beyond the perception of danger. We have
experimentally demonstrated the carcinogenicity of aspartame in 1,800
laboratory animals. So, keep in mind that a rodent study is in fact a very
powerful tool and a predictive tool for carcinogens in humans. JS: And that was Kathryn Knowles of the
European Ramazzini Foundation located in Bologna,
Italy. Kathryn as you may have noticed is not Italian but originally from San
Francisco, California. The Foundation's recent study can be found from a link
on the Deconstructing Dinner website under the show title, "Chemical Food." And
that website is cjly.net/deconstructingdinner. There
will also be a wealth of information on this subject including of course, all
the resources and studies referred to on today's broadcast. And
if aspartame is only one substance that remains highly questionable as a food
additive, its presence on almost every table in restaurants or coffee shops is
perhaps a reminder of how questionable many of the processed foods that fill
grocery stores and restaurants are. In wrapping
up today's broadcast, we can refer back to mention of one of the key
individuals who pushed aspartame on to the market back in 1981. And that was of
course, the current Secretary of Defence, Donald Rumsfeld. Now to many Rumsfeld
does not come across as an authoritative figure and his role in American defence overseas is for many, highly questionable. So where
does the trust of the global population lie when drinking low calorie beverages
or chewing sugarless gum? Well, it lies partially in the hands of Donald Rumsfeld. The former President and CEO of G.E. Searle &
Company, the creator of aspartame. In
researching today's broadcast, I did come across one reference to a study that
indicated this - that aspartame otherwise known as NutraSweet or Equal is known
to erode intelligence and affect short-term memory. And here's Donald Rumsfeld. Series of clips from Donald Rumsfeld: Some things neither good nor bad but
thinking makes it so I suppose, as Shakespeare said. I believe what I said yesterday. I don't
know what I said but I know what I think and I assume that's what I said. I am shocked, sort of. The message is that there are no knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are
known unknowns - that is to say there are things that we now know we don't
know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know if
we don't know. And each year we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns. And if I know the answer I'll tell you
the answer and if I don't, I'll just respond cleverly. Stating what might be preferable, is
simply stating what might be preferable. The dumbest thing anyone can do would be
to stand up here and start previewing things that somebody's thinking about or
not thinking about or starting to disabuse you of each thing somebody tells you
that we're thinking about because then the first time we don't disabuse you
you'll say, "aha, that's what they're going to do." I normally would not come down in my vest
but they just redid me and it's wet. So I can't put my coat on. I would not say that the future is
necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not
predictable when it started. ending theme JS: And that was this week's edition of
Deconstructing Dinner produced and recorded at Nelson British Columbia's Kootenay Co-op Radio. I've been your host Jon Steinman. I
thank my technical assistant Diane Matenko. The theme
music for Deconstructing Dinner is courtesy of Nelson-area resident, Adham Shaikh. All
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